Benutzer Diskussion:Cessator

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Jón + 18:55, 11. Jan. 2010 (CET)

Island

Hi Cessator, unter [1] findet sich als Vollform "Republik Island". Ist dies nicht als "amtlich" zu werten? Grüße von Jón + 18:55, 11. Jan. 2010 (CET)

Hi Jón. I'm going to respond to you in English, if you don't mind. Right, so I understand why you'd follow a list like this one. However, it is simply incorrect that the official name of the country is "Lýðveldið Ísland" (or in German "Republik Island"). The word, "Lýðveldið" ("Republik"), when it is used, is used only descriptively and is not part of the official name of the country. This is a common misunderstanding, even among Icelanders! If you can read Icelandic, you can read about it here: http://www.visindavefur.is/svar.php?id=54970 . Its source is a letter from the Office of the Prime Minister of Iceland, where an inquiry regarding the official name of the country was made in 2004. If you like, you can ask in English (or German) at http://www.why.is (the English version of the website I linked to above) and I'm sure you will have an answer before long. Now, I don't know who was consulted when your list was put together, but I'll take a letter from the Office of the Prime Minister responding to an inquiry by a professor at the Arni Magnússon Institute regarding the official name of the country over whoever was the source for the information on the list. Wouldn't you? Best, --Cessator 19:28, 11. Jan. 2010 (CET)

Hi Cessator, it seems that your arguments are conclusive so I marked your changes in this wikipedia as OK; nevertheless, it's obviously a common usage to refer to Iceland (in long form) as to "Republic of Iceland" or "Lýðveldið Ísland" (see f. e. [2], Liste der Staaten der Erde, en:List of sovereign states and even is:Listi yfir fullvalda ríki!) Is there a page of the Icelandic government itself that makes clear that the official name of the country is only "Iceland"? Best regards, Jón + 20:08, 11. Jan. 2010 (CET)

It is a common usage, but, as I say, when used the word "lýðveldið" is used descriptively but not as part of the actual, official name. The article may obviously use the descriptive phrase or even say in the introduction that the country is often called "lýðveldið Ísland" ("Republik Island"), but it cannot say that that is the official name or the official long name. That's all. I am not aware that the country as such has an official website; the government has a website: http://www.stjornarrad.is/ where it says Stjórnarráð Íslands (The Icelandic Government), but it does not say "Stjórnarráð Lýðveldisins Íslands". Moreover, if this were the official name of the country you might expect to find something about it in the constitution, but as the website I gave as my source points out, there is nothing about the supposed offical name in the constitution, there is only the heading, where "lýðveldið" is not spelled with a capital letter as it would have to be if it were part of a proper name. --Cessator 20:28, 11. Jan. 2010 (CET)

I guess one can ask a similar question for most countries in the world. Deutschland (Germany) or Bundesrepublik Deutschland? I guess the later, as the constituion is called Grundgesetz der Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Österreich (Austria) or Republik Österreich? I guess the first (!), as our constitution (Bundes-Verfassungsgesetz) lacks any Präambel and its first Article begins with Österreich ist eine demokratische Republik. (Austria is a democratic republic). Nobody doubts we're a republic, but that sentence doesn't necessarily make Republic part of the country's name. I guess the problem is just the same for Iceland and Austria.

So, what is a "amtlicher" usage of the Name? Austria should be called Österreich by constitutional law, but still my passport states Republik Österreich. Also, two books about the austrian constitution refer to the state at hand with the words "Republik Österreich" without any furth explanation. I doub't "Republik Austria" was ever ruled to be the name, but is used as such in practice. I guess what's meant by "amtliche Nutzung" - how the country uses to present itself to the outside.

My suggestion would be to do as written in Deutschland and Austria (and many other atricles about countries): writing Island as name in the text on the left side, but using Lýðveldið Ísland and the translation in the Infobox on the right. --Wirthi ÆÐÞ 21:19, 11. Jan. 2010 (CET)

Since you mention passports, my passport has the name of the country in three languages on the front thus: Ísland, Iceland, Islande. The same on p. 1 and the same on the laminated p. 5 which has the magnetic strip. Nowhere in the passport does it say "Lýðveldið Ísland". --Cessator 01:56, 12. Jan. 2010 (CET)