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Weissbier 07:11, 11. Sep 2006 (CEST)

3 Hanford heute * 3.1 Verbleib des Plutoniums

bei der folgenden Angabe:

Qualitätsstufen: 

   * Waffenfähig enthält weniger als 7 % 240Pu
   * Industriequalität enthält zwischen 7 und 19 % 240Pu
   * Reaktorfähig enthält mehr als 19 % 240Pu

Muss bei waffenfähig doch "mehr als 19%" und bei reaktorfähig "weniger als 7%" stehen. Die absoluten zahlen kann ich nicht bestätigen oder anzweifeln, aber die angegebene Zuordnung ist nicht sinnvoll.--Fcgyto 13:37, 16. Apr. 2010 (CEST)

In einem Reaktor produziertes Plutonium erhält immer eine Mischung aus den Isotopen Pu-239 und Pu-240. Das besonders gut spaltbare Isotop ist Pu-239, Pu-240 entsteht aus Pu-239 durch Neutronenabsorption und ist wesentlich schlechter spaltbar. Zudem ist der Spontanzerfall bei Pu-240 sehr viel höher als bei Pu-239, wodurch bei einer Kernwaffe bei zu hoher Pu-240-Konzentration die Gefahr einer vorzeitigen Detonation besteht. Daher ist ein geringerer Anteil an Pu-240 hier besser. Grüße, --Quartl 14:32, 16. Apr. 2010 (CEST)
Das sollte meines Erachtens irgendwie in dem Abschnitt vermerkt oder angedeutet werden. Ich bin über das gleichen Punkt gestolpert wie Benutzer Fcgyto und deswegen hier auf der Diskussionsseite gelandet. Die Erläuterung der Qualitätsstufen erscheint für Laien nicht sinnvoll, denn viele werden wohl nicht davon ausgehen, dass Pu-240 eben nicht gerade das wünschenswerte Isotop ist. --Björn König 20:56, 22. Mär. 2011 (CET)

"Green Run"

Kopilot 18:53, 22. Mär. 2011 (CET)

Eindruck

Der Spiegel-Artikel enthält gravierende Aspekte, die dieser Artikel nicht nennt. Zum Beispiel die absichtliche Freisetzung von Radioaktivität. Oder eben Missbildungen bei Mensch und Tier. Aber drumherum gibt es viel Landwirtschaft. – Simplicius 22:03, 22. Mär. 2011 (CET)

Undichte Tanks

Laut www.welt-online.de vom 16.02.2013, besteht der Verdacht, daß in Hanford die Tanks, in denen radioaktive Flüssigkeiten gelagert werden, nicht alle dicht sind. Zumindest aus einem der Tanks sollen jährlich 500 bis 1.300 Liter radioaktive Flüssigkeit auslaufen.--87.155.53.44 04:21, 17. Feb. 2013 (CET)

Das ist seit Jahrzehnten bekannt und steht bereits im Kapitel #Hanford Tank Farm. Wenn du die dortige Darstellung nicht ausreichend findest, kannst du sie gerne verbessern und den Welt-Artikel als Beleg angeben. Du bist Wikipedia! Grüße --h-stt !? 15:20, 18. Feb. 2013 (CET)

http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/us-strahlenruine-hanford-sechs-unterirdische-atommmuelltanks-lecken-a-885114.html (nicht signierter Beitrag von 80.187.103.52 (Diskussion) 04:03, 23. Feb. 2013 (CET))

Die (?) Hanford Site / Material Tank und Becken

1. Die Stelle, die Niederlassung. Die geläufige Interpretation (Web)site / (Web)Seite ist hier ja nicht möglich.

Oder der Komplex, der Betrieb.

Oder doch das Gelände, das Areal?

Lässt sich dem englischen Begriff "Hanford Site" wirklich ein deutscher grammatikalischer Artikel zuordnen? Ich plädiere dafür den Artikel ganz wegzulassen, jedoch Übersetzungen des Wortes "Site" anzubieten. "Hanford Site (engl. im Sinn von: Stelle, Industriekomplex bei Hanford) ..." Gegenvorschlag: Im Französischen ist "site" in ähnlicher Bedeutung maskulin. (nicht signierter Beitrag von 77.206.229.240 (Diskussion) 18:30, 17. Feb. 2014 (CET))

2. Sind die Tanks alle aus Stahl? Welche Sorte? Rostfreier, korrosionsfester Chromnickelstahl? Säurebeständiger? Ist das bekannt, dokumentiert? Diese Info sollte auch in den Abschnitt Tank-Farm.

Sind die Becken aus Beton? Beschichtet?

3. Weitere Empfehlungen: Grosse Volumina in Kubikmeter angeben. Die Tanks, die in 4 Inhalts-Typen aufgeteilt werden ... besser von 4 Hauptgefahrenklassen sprechen, und dass manche Tanks wohl auch mehrere dieser Hauptgefahren bergen. Die Explosionsgefahr des Eisencyanid-Inhalts erläutern - ist es chemische Instabilität gegen Zersetzung? Bei Wasserstoff (ohne und mit Tritium) die Detonationsgefahr als Knallgas und Brennbarkeit erwähnen. --Helium4 (Diskussion) 14:59, 24. Apr. 2013 (CEST)

Die radioaktive Wolke von 1948

Die radioaktive Wolke von 1948 war ein Menschenversuch - kein Unfall (nicht signierter Beitrag von 2003:69:C93F:8FAB:230:5FF:FEA8:1B16 (Diskussion | Beiträge) 14:52, 24. Jun. 2014 (CEST))

Hast du einen (ernstzunehmenden) Beleg dafür? --UvM (Diskussion) 15:54, 24. Jun. 2014 (CEST)

War jetzt zwar 1949, aber trotzdem
Zitat:
"Abertausende Arbeiter, Anwohner und Farmer wurden sogar teils absichtlich verstrahlt - zu Testzwecken. Am 3. Dezember 1949 jagten Hanford-Physiker eine hochradioaktive Wolke durch den Schornstein des T-Werks, des damals weltgrößten Plutoniumwerks. Die Strahlung übertraf die des späteren Reaktorunfalls von Harrisburg fast ums Tausendfache. Das Experiment hieß "Green Run", Fallout wanderte bis nach Kalifornien." spiegel.de--31.16.170.231 12:05, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)

Dieser Spiegel-Artikel beruft sich ausdrücklich auf ein Enthüllungsbuch "Atomic Harvest" ("Atomare Ernte") von 1993, nennt aber nicht dessen Verfasser, Verlag usw. Das sieht leider ziemlich fragwürdig aus. Anti-Atom-Pamphlete aller Art gab und gibt es ja genug. In Hanford wurde sicher ungeniert und nach heutigen Maßstäben sehr leichtfertig mit Radioaktivität umgegangen. Aber absichtliche Menschenversuche zu unterstellen ist noch etwas anderes -- und müsste schon seriös belegt werden. --UvM (Diskussion) 12:11, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)
Eine kurze Recherche ergab amazon.de. Außerdem gibt es ja auch noch den Wikipedia Artikel zu Green-Run. Aus dem Spiegel Artikel geht hervor (übrigens auch aus dem Wikipedia Artikel), dass Anwohner absichtlich zu Testzwecken verstrahlt wurden. Dies ist in allen zivilisierten Gemeinschaften illegal (auch schon 1949) und somit kann man auch nicht von leichtfertigen Umgang reden. Da Sie hier auch noch von "Anti-Atom-Pamphlete" schreiben, scheinen Sie nicht an einer objektiven Lösung mitwirken zu wollen.--31.16.170.231 12:49, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)
Die ungerechtfertigte Unterstellung Da Sie hier auch noch von "Anti-Atom-Pamphlete" schreiben, scheinen Sie nicht an einer objektiven Lösung mitwirken zu wollen weise ich zurück. Green Run war mir bisher nicht bekannt, danke für den Hinweis -- und auch für den auf das Buch. Die Spiegel-Redaktion hätte gleich journalistisch-ordentlich "Ross und Reiter nennen" sollen, wenn es ihr auf seriöse Information angekommen wäre. So aber erweckt der Text durchaus den Eindruck "Anti-Atom-Pamphlet". Und nun behaupte/behaupten Sie bitte nicht, solche hätte es nie gegeben... --UvM (Diskussion) 13:25, 10. Mai 2017 (CEST)

(Vermeintliche?) Inkonsistenz über die Lebensdauer der Tanks

  • Die beim Bau vorgesehene Lebensdauer war für die einwandigen Tanks 30 Jahre und für die doppelwandigen Tanks 50 Jahre.
  • Im Februar 2013 wurde bekannt, dass sechs unterirdische Tanks der Anlage [...] Diese Tanks [...] sind mittlerweile älter als die ursprünglich vorgesehene 20-jährige Nutzungsdauer.

--22:18, 25. Okt. 2014 (CEST)

Lebensdauer != Nutzungsdauer. Grüße --h-stt !? 16:49, 27. Okt. 2014 (CET)

Artikel in "Der Freitag" vom 28.1.015

Hallo, wer will, kann ja schon mal ausschlachten: Der Freitag, 28. Januar 2015, Rudolf Stumberger, freitag.de: Am Fluss mit den dreiäugigen Fischen. Gruß, --Hungchaka (Diskussion) 19:49, 11. Feb. 2015 (CET)

Danke für den Hinweis. Ich schau's mir an. Lass dich aber nicht abhalten, mitzubasteln. Grüße --h-stt !? 10:00, 12. Feb. 2015 (CET)

Autoarchiv?

Kann das hier rein, trotz „History“ am Anfang? --Hungchaka (Diskussion) 19:51, 11. Feb. 2015 (CET)

Könnte man machen. Aber hier ist nicht so viel los, dass man ein Archiv braucht. Grüße --h-stt !? 10:01, 12. Feb. 2015 (CET)
Naja, die Riesen-Box gleich am Anfang versperrt ganz gewaltig die Sicht a.d. eigentliche Disk - vllt. kann man ja auch selle Box ändern? --Hungchaka (Diskussion) 13:56, 13. Feb. 2015 (CET)

...Becken von 260 m Länge, 20 m Breite und 26 m Tiefe...

Ist ja schön, zu wissen, wie groß das Becken war. Aber wesentlich interessanter wäre eine Angabe, wie in dem Becken das Pu vom U und sonstigen Inhaltsstoffen getrennt wurde: durch auflösen in Salpetersäure und nachfolgende Flüssig-Flüssig-Extraktion wie im heutigen PUREX-Prozess? Oder gab es da etwas Einfacheres? --UvM (Diskussion) 18:20, 14. Jan. 2016 (CET)

gerade in den nachrichten (mai 2017)

Yeah - völlig bedeutungslos. Da ist nichts passiert, das eine Erwähnung wert wäre. Grüße --h-stt !? 18:31, 12. Mai 2017 (CEST)
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